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iCarly - Fourhman vs Jordan continued

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  • Started 6 months ago by Joe Fourhman
  • Latest reply from TheTony
  1. Discus sucks for being able to read long replies. So I'm moving the conversation here.

    About the Mii: The Mii is indicative of Nintendo's entire style for the Wii. Miis became a pop culture thing almost instantly. Yes, the Check Mii Out Channel is dorky, but I'll admit to spending hours browsing the cute and clever designs worldwide. And Miis show up in games all the time; I don't get the blast you're throwing that Nintendo never uses them or that they don't mean anything. Animal Crossing, Metroid 3, Kart, Samba, Wii Fit. My Miis are me and my friends, and when they show up in games, it's funny and engaging.

    About the speaker-in-Remote: when you get a "call" in Lit or No More Heroes, you suddenly understand how awesome it is to have a speaker in the Remote. Or when Big Brain Academy or Boom Blox lets you know that it's your turn by having your Remote beep a friendly chime. That is balls out slick. It's a great hardware feature and more games should leverage it.

    About DS interaction: when you also own the most popular handheld system on the planet, this is a big deal. Nintendo hasn't done enough with this (mostly Pokemon stuff, I think), in my opinion, but it is still huge. Downloading DS demos is not lame, why in the world is downloading demos lame?

    About motion control: "Don't try to say that it's not based on motion control because if you look at their previous E3 press conferences, you will be proved wrong." Yeah, let's all judge Nintendo by the dog-and-pony shows they stage specifically for non-gaming dopes like Matt Lauer. How much motion control is required in Mario Galaxy? Metroid 3? Smash Brawl? NPC Pikmin? (And I don't mean simply pointing at the screen, I mean silly waggle and shaking.) And while some first-party titles like Excitebots and WarioWare Smooth Moves either overdo it or are truly based entirely around it, Nintendo still has plenty of variety across the line. For every Wii Sports that demands it, there's a Mario Kart Wii that makes it optional. Not every game is about motion control. Do I think devs need to finesse this feature better? Absolutely. But I'm not going to forever hate the Wii because of the asinine way motion control was used in, say, Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

    About Remote-as-pointer: of course that's great! You're selecting your options by clicking on them, mouse style, instead of tapping around with a d-pad! NPC Pikmin benefits from this, but it's been a hallmark of the Wii experience since day one. People "get" pointing at the screen right away. There is no learning curve, except in adjusting your fine motor control so you don't point off the screen. It's a key component in how the Wii has sold itself. It makes the Wii accessible.

    About library of downloadable games: You mean to tell me that WiiWare plus Virtual Console plus DSiWare has fewer games to download than on PS3 or 360? Maybe if PS3 and 360 are added together, they do.

    About messaging: Yes, 360 and PS3 instantly send little onscreen notifications when I get a message. If they're turned on. My Wii lets me know when I have a message waiting when it is off. I'm not saying that the Wii Message Board is a more comprehensive interface for communication, but knowing that I have mail without having to fire up the machine is awfully important. And about the Message Board, I know my Wii games make it a lot easier to save and share screenshots inside the few games that support such a thing. And I love when games like Bonsai Barber or Mario Galaxy send messages TO my Wii.

    Of course Nintendo still has a lot to learn. The Wii is far from the perfect gaming system. There is not a day that goes by that I don't wish the Wii could tell me when my friends are online. But if you'll recall, this conversation started when you asked why we like the Wii. We gave answers and you knocked them all down. Clearly, you don't need to own a Wii. I'm not sure why you have one, since you only like Mario Galaxy (and Sunshine was better!) If you're holding out for MotionPlus and Red Steel 2, you're going to be disappointed. Because it is not going to look HD, it will feel dumbed down to you due to the control scheme, and after about an hour your arms will fall off. If you're looking for the Wii to match the other two, you're going to be let down... that's why you have to look for the stuff that is different, that isn't multiplatform. Like anything, the best games are those that truly take advantage of the home system.

    Or you can wait a few years as Sony and Microsoft ready their own me-too motion controllers, and then you can enjoy all your favorite PS/Xbox franchises as they get dicked up with motion controls and cutesy art styles. As we've seen, Microsoft is fairly desperate to mimic Nintendo's success, and Sony will take anything at this point. Are you ready for Uncharted Super Tropical Fitness and Chibi-Halo Motion Pointer Command?


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    Jordan Snyder
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    About the Miis: Let's drop this topic, as it won't progress farther than you like them, and I don't.

    About the speaker in the remote AND remote as pointer: Both of these are total gimmicks, in my opinion. At least the pointer control is actually useful for shooters and similar titles, but no matter what, I'll always find the speaker to be horrible. I don't think it's cute. I don't think it's immersive. I guess that's just another topic we're polar opposites on.

    About DS interaction: Downloading the demos isn't lame, I think I might have worded it wrong before. The fact that they touted so much interaction between the two systems, and the demos is all that showed up after 2-3 years. I think that really had potential (and still does), but they didn't deliver.

    About motion control: It's fairly obvious that they originally wanted the system to be completely centered around motion control. When the controller was revealed all the trailers showed were people using gestures to control the games. These days, not too many games use the motion controls (intelligently, at least), which is not a bad thing, but it shows that they were expecting a lot more from it. The MotionPlus should have been incorporated into the original Wii Remote. Not every game needs to have motion controls, like Galaxy (which is better than Sunshine), but that used to be the whole focus of their console. It's the games that don't use motion controls well, or at all, that I feel bad for because I know they would be better on the other consoles, whether it's for HD graphics, more disk space, or better online play. That's why I really hope the Wii MotionPlus is all it's cracked up to be. I want my arms to fall off after playing Red Steel 2 because that would be a hell of a lot more immersive than a crappy speaker. The Wii MotionPlus should allow the Wii to finally be the unique console that it wanted to be in the first place. However, if Microsoft reveals a motion controller at their press conference, I will be pissed off.

    About downloadable games: I'm pretty sure XBLA and Xbox Originals has more games that WiiWare, VC, and DSiWare.

    About messaging: Yeah, I like the notification when the system isn't even on, but the Wii doesn't even compare to what the 360 is capable of in terms of communication. Maybe in the days of the one-console-future, MicTendOny will combine these features.

    Posted 6 months ago #

  3. I had no idea that an article about iCarly could generate such passion and vitrol. Who knew that Miranda Cosgrove could make people so angry.

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    Jordan Snyder
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    I don't know. There's just something about that tween that gets me all fired up! I feel like I could kick a midget!

    Posted 6 months ago #

  5. "I can list off several titles: Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, BioShock, Ratchet & Clank Future, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, LittleBigPlanet, Resident Evil 5, Fallout 3, Uncharted, Killzone 2, Gears of War, Left 4 Dead, and the list goes on."

    If I may butt in, for just a moment, I have no interest in owning or playing any of the games on this list. I know, that may seem like I'm being unfair or overly critical or Wii-litist, but I'm not kidding. I really don't care.

    Maybe Little Big Planet...but I've already seen it, and managed to sit out a 3-hour play session without touching a controller or feeling like a part of me has been missing all my life. It's a big maybe. I guess, if I owned a PS3, I'd have to have SOMETHING on there to play. So that'd probably be the one on the list I'd be most likely to own.

    Anyway, I own a Wii for that reason. PS3, 360...I'm just not that into you.

    Also, on that Metacritic thing - I really, really don't care about ratings or numbers. Reviews good. Numbers? Meh.

    As for the games in my Wii library, I'd seriously doubt that many have high Metacritic scores/ratings/whateverthehelltheycallthem. First-party, I own Galaxy, Smash Brawl, Wii Play and Wii Sports. Not counting WiiWare.

    Otherwise, it's a stack of third-party stuff. Skewing Sega, to be honest. NiGHTS, Sonic & the 7 Rings, Sonic Unleashed, Mario & Sonic Olympics, Samba...and don't get me started on the REST of the stuff on the rack. I doubt things like the Iron Chef America game I got my wife or The Simpsons Game (thanks Aeropause, I finished it!) or Rampage: Total Destruction racked in the Metapoints.

    Boom Blox, maybe. I don't know. I don't care enough to check the site. Anyway, enough names. I hope you get the point.

    I do love my WiiWare, though. Lots of good stuff on there.

    What's an iCarly, again? I'm glad a real topic sprouted from that headline.

    Posted 6 months ago #

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    Jordan Snyder
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    As much as I don't understand how you can enjoy some of those games (and I suppose you might feel the same for me), I will accept it.

    Wow, this whole argument started from me stating that I wasn't surprised that iCarly (a Nickelodeon show, Tony) would come out for the Wii.

    Posted 6 months ago #

  7. Of course not. You go where the people are.

    The hilarious punchline is, people aren't going to buy that game. Even if there are more of them with Wii's.

    Nickelodeon has been off my radar for many, many years. Only recently (as in, within the last 2 months) has there been a resurgence, as my wife and I will call up Blues Clues On Demand episodes to calm the boy down for naps/before bed.

    Until now, he's been pretty much exclusively Sesame Street.

    And, since I'm really not a Spongebob fan, Nick hasn't had much for me since...probably when Ren & Stimpy went away.

    Posted 6 months ago #


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